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Was there anything about your childhood
that prepared you for your career in film and
TV?
Yes, I was born right outside Hollywood in Glendale,
California. I was a show biz brat -- my father
worked at Disney Studios for over 40 years, beginning
when he was a teenager. He was a musician but
he worked in production and he was an associate
producer on many of the early Disney TV programs,including
The Mickey Mouse Club. When I was a kid,
I remember my dad bringing home some of the classic
Disney films on 16 mm film. Once I'd learned how
to read music, I'd sit with the written score
for Sleeping Beauty, for example, and
follow along while watching the film. I always
had a keen interest in that.
You must have shown interest in music early
in life. Pretty early. Both of my parents
played instruments; my mom played guitar and so
when I was six, I decided to try that and took
lessons. I just kept going, playing in bands as
a teenage rock & roll person. In my college
years (John Debney studied at California Institute
of the Arts where he received a degree in Composition),
I became serious about music and also about drama
-- I hoped to become an actor. I decided that
music was the less crazy of two crazy ideas, so
I stuck with that.
Did Cal Arts have film music facilities?
Not really at that time. When I went to Cal Arts,
it was serious music -- most of the students were
going to be classical composers or symphony orchestra
musicians.
Did you pursue other areas of music before
embarking on your career as a film and television
composer? During my college years, I
played in a band that got a record deal. I would
do charts for the band and string arrangements.
Once I got out of college and had gotten all the
rock & roll dreams out of my head, I became
serious about being an orchestrator. I orchestrated
for different people who were scoring television
shows. I think my story is one of slowly climbing
up the ladder, starting as an orchestrator, putting
in my time on television.
Someone took a chance on you with TV scoring
work? Yes. Eventually, I got episodes
of a series, which led to whole series and themes.
It was a long journey up but it provided me with
the opportunity to learn many skills. Television
does that because you have no time. In the Eighties,
I'd be working with orchestras for TV shows every
day of the week, which is unlike TV today. It
was a great training ground.
Why are orchestras not as much a part of
TV music today as when you started out?
I'm glad you asked that. It's been sort of a
disappointment for me. One of the reasons I tried
to get out of television in the early Nineties
was that TV was going the way of "cheaper is better."
Most shows these days are done with keyboard synthesizers,
which are fine. The shame of it is that there's
not a lot of room for live human beings, live
players -- just a few shows utilize live musicians.
To me a big part of the joy in what I do is that
I consider it an honor to stand in front of live
musicians and have the opportunity to hear my
music played by these talented people. I made
the decision to try and make the leap into more
feature work. Through a series of circumstances,
I was fortunate and got a movie or two from Disney.
I've been on that journey ever since. I was lucky
to get into the feature world, but it was only
through saying no to a lot of television back
then.
When you begin a film project, do you go
in with your own conception of the music or do you
have do it the way the director wants?
Nowadays, it's really a collaborative effort,
sometimes to the detriment of the score. As a
composer, you absolutely must listen to the director
and whoever else is in the room. Compare that
to the Fifties, the "Golden Age" of film scoring.
Back then, you'd have a very strong music department.
The composers were much more shielded and were
able to do what they thought best. Many times,
the director and producers would be hearing the
music for the first time on the scoring stage.
Now we demo everything beforehand. That could
be good or bad.
When working on the score of a big epic,
for example, do you automatically go for the sound
of a full orchestra? Not necessarily
-- there are lots of ways to approach a movie.
Here's an anecdote. Last year I worked on the
The Scorpion King. There were so many
levels that I had to deal with. One is the fact
that almost all films are "temped," meaning that
the filmmakers will go in and throw bits and pieces
of different scores to try and give an impression
of what the music might be. These "temps" can
be really good or bad, depending on what they're
trying to achieve. The initial discussions on
Scorpion King were that it'd be along
the lines of The Mummy, but a little
more adventurous, and that the music should be
a massive, traditional score. They did a couple
of screenings and that resulted in the thinking
that the score should be rock & roll. As it
ended up, it was mainly a traditional score with
some rock & roll elements.
When doing a lighter film -- a romantic
comedy or something aimed at teens, you take a different
tack. You must have to go in with a different mindset
for each film. You must leave behind
whatever you did last, because every film is different.
Variety is the spice of life and I've been fortunate
to be able to work on Scorpion King and
then turn around and do The Princess Diaries.
That makes it fun for me.
What was your most challenging project?
As the most challenging and rewarding,
the one that comes to mind is Cutthroat Island
(the 1996 pirate film directed by Renny Harlin
and starring Harlin's then-wife, Geena Davis).
That may seem strange because the film is known
as this huge failure. When we were doing it, it
was this amazingly glorious experience because
it required me to compose over two hours of huge
swashbuckling-type music. It was a tremendous
opportunity to write that kind of score, which
I relished. The film didn't do very well, which
was disappointing. Still, it was the most challenging
and highly rewarding simply because I was given
this huge canvas to paint.
In working on a film like that do you think
back to scores by Korngold and the other film music
pioneers? Absolutely. Our intention
was that it be an homage to them, because I grew
up loving Erich Korngold, Max Steiner and all
those guys. I was trying to write the best possible
score I could. I think for any composer to write
for a pirate movie, a big cowboy movie or a space
epic like Star Wars, that's a dream job.
The Scorpion King was right up there
because it was really fun to dive into all the
elements that go into something like that.
What was probably rare in film music 25
years ago, but commonplace now are the soundtracks
in which part is scored by a composer with the rest
just pop records that are licensed. The film scoring
community can't be thrilled by this. I'm
sure the die-hard fans aren't terribly enamored
by this. But I can go either way with it. I think
if there's a balance I don't really have a problem
with it. I only have a problem with a song idea
when the studio is jamming the songs down the
throat of the film. I've had many directors tell
me that they don't want this or that song as part
of the film. But the reality is that if you get
a hit soundtrack, quite frankly, some of those
do better than the movies. My main criterion is
that the songs do something for the movie and
are part of the movie.
I've understand that the Jim Carrey movie,
Bruce Almighty, is your current project.
What else is coming up for you? I've
been fortunate that Garry Marshall, with whom
I worked on The Princess Diaries, invited
me back to the party for a film he's working on
now called Raising Helen starring Kate
Hudson. Garry is one of these special human beings
that is tremendously wonderful to work with. That's
what I'll jump into after Bruce Almighty.
And there's an animated Disney feature looming
somewhere over the horizon.
How does composing for animation differ
from live-action film scoring? I always
describe animation as being a two-dimensional
situation, i.e., you don't have living, breathing
human beings that make noise. You have the screen
and the actors voicing the animated characters,
along with the sound effects and the music. The
music and sound effects in animated movies have
to create a lot more of the environment and, many
times, the emotions of the film. Animated, 2-D
figures can't emote in the way a human actor can.
The music in animated features often has to convey
a lot more.
What are the important issues for film and
TV composers today? One of the concerns
I have is technology, which has enabled us to
do amazing things. In the old days, a composer
might play a little theme for a director on a
piano and say, "See you in six weeks on the scoring
stage." Now, literally ninety-eight percent of
every piece in a movie has been demo'ed thoroughly
before we even get to the scoring stage. Technology
can be a tool to show directors and producers
a hint of what the music will ultimately sound
like. The down side with technology is that, with
younger composers coming up, we may sometimes
lose sight of the fact that there are skills,
techniques and fundamentals that have to be learned
in order to be a really good film composer. I've
already seen instances where the technology can
really overshadow the craft. You can get someone
who's barely knowledgeable of music fundamentals
doing big film scores. My hope is, with the advent
of technology, that we never lose sight of the
craft involved -- that learning harmony, theory
and counterpoint is really important.
Conducting is another concern of mine. I conduct
all my own film scores. There are lots of big
composers here in Hollywood who don't ever conduct.
It's sort of a dying art. I just hope that there
won't come a day when all the scores in films
that you see are reproduced by machine -- that
while a machine is part of the process, it can't
replace a great living and breathing violinist. |